Comments on: The Cathedral the Bazaar and the Emerging Church http://damonsnyder.com/archives/2005/11/29/the-cathedral-the-bazaar-and-the-emerging-church/ Thoughts on life, faith, and technology in a first world context. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:21:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Neal Locke http://damonsnyder.com/archives/2005/11/29/the-cathedral-the-bazaar-and-the-emerging-church/#comment-13884 Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:46:42 +0000 http://damonsnyder.com/archives/2005/11/29/the-cathedral-the-bazaar-and-the-emerging-church/#comment-13884 I just found this post by way of Nate's link to it. I'm a fan of ESR and RMS, and I agree that RMS's position is probably a better place for the world of theology to begin from, although I think ESR's language and metaphor would be helpful, too. Your point about the Emerging Church "literature" is very well put forth. I have been very excited by what I've read from Brian McLaren, Doug Paggit and others in the emerging church conversation -- BUT... It sometimes seems they have an oligopoly on the conversation. I don't think this is intentional, but I think it's because while their ideas are very postmodern, their customs and practices (i.e. publishing paper books and "speaching" at conventions) are very modern. I'll ask the same question I asked Nate on his blog: Where do we go from here, then? Where is our Free/Open Source / Theology / Wiki / Blog ? I've watched the conversation that is happening over at www.opensourcetheology.net, but they seem to focus almost exclusively on the theology side of things. In this post, and a few of Nate's, I finally seem to have run into a few voices who are conversant in the Technological side of things -- something that the Emerging Church conversation (and the church in general) could greatly benefit from, both in theory AND in practice. Anyhow, I'm throwing the idea out there. Bite? I just found this post by way of Nate’s link to it.

I’m a fan of ESR and RMS, and I agree that RMS’s position is probably a better place for the world of theology to begin from, although I think ESR’s language and metaphor would be helpful, too.

Your point about the Emerging Church “literature” is very well put forth. I have been very excited by what I’ve read from Brian McLaren, Doug Paggit and others in the emerging church conversation — BUT…

It sometimes seems they have an oligopoly on the conversation. I don’t think this is intentional, but I think it’s because while their ideas are very postmodern, their customs and practices (i.e. publishing paper books and “speaching” at conventions) are very modern.

I’ll ask the same question I asked Nate on his blog:

Where do we go from here, then?

Where is our Free/Open Source / Theology / Wiki / Blog ?

I’ve watched the conversation that is happening over at www.opensourcetheology.net, but they seem to focus almost exclusively on the theology side of things. In this post, and a few of Nate’s, I finally seem to have run into a few voices who are conversant in the Technological side of things — something that the Emerging Church conversation (and the church in general) could greatly benefit from, both in theory AND in practice.

Anyhow, I’m throwing the idea out there. Bite?

]]> by: Pre alpha thoughts on the emerging church and web2.0 at Damon Snyder http://damonsnyder.com/archives/2005/11/29/the-cathedral-the-bazaar-and-the-emerging-church/#comment-13 Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:00:57 +0000 http://damonsnyder.com/archives/2005/11/29/the-cathedral-the-bazaar-and-the-emerging-church/#comment-13 [...] I think a lot of what we see with web2.0 might be another cycle of control and release that has been happening with technology– particularly with software and the web. The web started off as collaborative enabling environment in academia that quickly found itself becoming influenced by commercialization and by hierarchical or cathedral models of control. At the time, the hierarchical/cathedral model is how software was done. This was to some extent broken down by the opensource software movement. That same movement had a lot of influence on the web (apache & Linux/*BSD). But the web was also leveraged commercially through hierarchical structures (Netscape, Microsft, AOL). I think a lot of what we are seeing now is the enabling or equipping of a backlash. Technologies that though they may be commercialized, enable and equip users to create the environment and experiences that they want from the web (google, social software, web2.0/*). It is looking more bazaar like. [...] […] I think a lot of what we see with web2.0 might be another cycle of control and release that has been happening with technology– particularly with software and the web. The web started off as collaborative enabling environment in academia that quickly found itself becoming influenced by commercialization and by hierarchical or cathedral models of control. At the time, the hierarchical/cathedral model is how software was done. This was to some extent broken down by the opensource software movement. That same movement had a lot of influence on the web (apache & Linux/BSD). But the web was also leveraged commercially through hierarchical structures (Netscape, Microsft, AOL). I think a lot of what we are seeing now is the enabling or equipping of a backlash. Technologies that though they may be commercialized, enable and equip users to create the environment and experiences that they want from the web (google, social software, web2.0/). It is looking more bazaar like. […]

]]> by: Nate Custer http://damonsnyder.com/archives/2005/11/29/the-cathedral-the-bazaar-and-the-emerging-church/#comment-2 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:23:56 +0000 http://damonsnyder.com/archives/2005/11/29/the-cathedral-the-bazaar-and-the-emerging-church/#comment-2 Damon, As a fellow computer scientist I am really glad to see the work of the OSS/Free Software community getting recognized elsewhere. When I go back to the roots of the OSS world, we have to start with Richard Stallman and the GNU project. What I find most compelling about RMS is that he argues from a moral perspective first. I suspect deeper dialog on these issues needs to start from RMS's position and not ESRs. I lay out an introduction to his ideas on my blog at: http://welikesheep.org/osschurch Any thoughts you want to share about RMS vrs ESR from the church perspective? Nate Damon,

As a fellow computer scientist I am really glad to see the work of the OSS/Free Software community getting recognized elsewhere. When I go back to the roots of the OSS world, we have to start with Richard Stallman and the GNU project. What I find most compelling about RMS is that he argues from a moral perspective first.

I suspect deeper dialog on these issues needs to start from RMS’s position and not ESRs.

I lay out an introduction to his ideas on my blog at:

http://welikesheep.org/osschurch

Any thoughts you want to share about RMS vrs ESR from the church perspective?

Nate

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